HK's white spot (Marine Ich) outbreak

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I'm back home from a few days away with work, and as my wife had suspected/told me, my fish have Ich.  I'm pretty sure, but will let you guys confirm.

I'm going to set up a Hospital Tank, and go down the hyposalinity route.

Last Edit: Feb 25, 2015 10:33:51 am by HK_Fuey
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Reply #1

Wow that's an aggressive infestation! The foxface looks ok, but unless you act quickly, an infection that bad is likely strong enough to make it/them not wake up in the morning...  :cry:

I'm not sure if an immediate freshwater (maybe with iodine) bath to hopefully shed some of them would be worth the stress caused by it...

If you can get the QT tank set up quickly, then I'd certainly freshwater bath them individually (changing the bath each time) during the transfer from DT to QT...

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Fingers crossed for you HK.  :embarrassed:
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Thanks.

I've been reading up on HT set-ups and hyposalinity treatment.  I realise I can't do hyposalinity in the DT due to it killing the shrimps/crabs/snails.  However, could I add LR to the HT?  I'm thinking that the bacteria would survive and so provide some much needed filtration. 
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The bacteria will survive if you lower the salinity slowly enough, as they can adjust. It's a large osmotic difference quickly (osmotic shock) that'll kill the bacteria (and the parasite).

You could I suppose, but wouldn't water changes be better overall? As to not potentially spoil the LR, and risk that biological filtration not being enough, disturbing the DT, etc. Also if there's big bristle worms in the LR then they'll die which obviously isn't good.

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Reply #4

Water changes it is.

HT tank set up, and fish are in it.  What a pain in the arse that was.  Had to pull apart my DT to remove all the caves, put all the coral up one end, and chase the fish down the other end to catch them.

Couldn't find my mandarin or goby, but they're likely tucked under a ledge and buried under a rock, so will hopefully get them in the morning when they come out to play.

Will catch them up on the treatment in a bucket, then put them in the HT with the others.

Fingers crossed some of them survive!
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What a pain in the arse that was.  Had to pull apart my DT to remove all the caves, put all the coral up one end, and chase the fish down the other end to catch them.

Wouldn't have thought that'd have been a big issue for you with your ninja-like reflexes.  :tongue:

Mandarinfish are so slimey, they're pretty much immune to Ich. Does your Mandarin eat frozen? As it might loose weight to a critical level in the 4 weeks you'll have to have the tank fallow and mandarin in the HT tank for.

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Reply #6

Ha ha.  I've managed to get the goby today, and have started the hypo treatment.

I've decided to leave the mandarin in the DT, and keep my fingers crossed - good idea!  He does eat frozen, but he spends all day constantly eating pods, so I doubt frozen only would work well.  Also, he'd been in a much more enclosed space, and so probably be outcompeted for the food.

The spots seem to have gone again today, so that should mean the fish are through the worst of it.  I'll have reduced the salinity before the Ich breaks out again, so I hope that means all my fish have survived!
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I moved the mandarin back into the HT as he ended up with a few spots.  I hope he feeds enough to survive without pods available to him   :undecided:

I've managed to get the salinity down to 1.009 over 48 hrs, as per the guide I'm following:
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/23131-hyposalinity-treatment-process.html

All the fish are still alive, so I'm pretty confident that they will pull through this now, as the parasite should now die  :grin:
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Yeah that leebca guy know his stuff I've read a few of his posts.
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Reply #9

Tangman always used to type that salinity figure in, and was always questioned if it was a type o!

How are things getting on?
I should really sort this out!!

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Reply #10

Yes, it's scarey reducing salinity down that far.  It seems unreal that they can live in that. :undecided:

So far, so good.  All fish alive.  Salinity and pH where they should be.  Big buckets of RO and heated Salt water at the ready. :cool:

The one rule within the article I'm breaking, is adding chemicals to help reduce ammonia/nitrite/nitrate.  As there's no bacteria in there to process the waste, I found that within 12 hrs there was ammonia present.  There's no way I can do enough water changes to keep on top of that, so I have used to some chemical to assist me.  Still doing daily water changes, but this way the fish should never experience the poisons.

[NB:This is not something I would advise in a DT, as you'd have LR and sand to host the bacteria, and should have cycled it before adding any fish.]
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Reply #11

Still going well.  Fish are all alive and well.  The mandarin's tail is looking rough.  I guess one of the other fish has been taking a nibble.  Not much I can do though other than put him in a breeding net (or something like that).  Hoping it was more a stress thing in the first few days, as nothing has ever even looked at him before now.
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Reply #12

I lost the mandarin today  :(
I had been putting in a mix of live baby brine, rotifiers and copepods, but I guess he must have been stressed out too.  As the fish are effectively cured now, and I'm just waiting it out to put them back in the DT, I had hoped to slowly raise the salinity, meaning I could get the mandarin transfered over to my new nano.   Sadly, there wasn't the time.

The rest of them appear to be fine.
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Reply #13

Aww. Was it losing weight?

Just goes to show, they're very difficult fish to keep long term... I lost mine and am still gutted about it...  :cry:
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Reply #14

Yes, which is why I started with the live food, but it seems it was too little, too late
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