QT, how to manage fish health?

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Hi all, I've now got my QT with the 2 ocellaris clowns and the 2 black sailfin mollies acting as canaries. I'm planning on getting a yellow tang and a regal tang.
They will stay there for 2 months as the DT lies fallow, but reading up on regal tangs (as well as yellow tangs) they don't take well to copper, and the regals cannot at all costs take chloroquine phosphate.
So, if during the quarantine period the fish show signs of velvet or ich, what to do about it? The clowns can take the medicine, but the tangs are going to be problematic.
So what do people use for tangs.
I do have a 60L HT that can be pressed into service, but that is currently not being used, but could be if and when necessary.
Thoughts please?

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Reply #1

There are times, (despite 40 views on this occasion), when no-one replies, shame really.
I know on ultimate reef, despite receiving some negative feedback, goes with the territory I suppose, at least I'd have some input.
Anyway, rant over ha ha, I did get some info on UR, via a sticky that Si and Humble fish contributed to in that chelated copper seems to be more effective than ionic copper (cupramine).
In fact, I've found out that there were as many negative comments as positive over the effectiveness of Cupramine.
So, I'm not prepared to put my fish through a treatment that may well cause them stress, if indeed it may not be effective.
I found a company here in UK that sold  Copper Power, a chelated copper treatment that seems to be good.
In a list that was found on that forum, the different fishes were given a scale of 1 to 5 in relation to the suitability of that particular fish to that treatment.
How did I get here? Well, it's all because although chloroquine phosphate is regarded as a good medicine prophylactically or after the disease has come out, it's a really big NO for Regal Tangs, hence looking for the alternative treatment.
If anyone's interested, I'll get a link to the shop that sells the Copper Power here in Uk, the only downside really is that it ships from USA, so it'll be a while to get it I suppose.

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Reply #2

There are times, (despite 40 views on this occasion), when no-one replies, shame really.
I know on ultimate reef, despite receiving some negative feedback, goes with the territory I suppose, at least I'd have some input.

Don't take offence! It's laudible that you want the absolute best process for your fish, but you have to remember that a lot of people just like to browse and never post, (same on most forums).  Then of those who do post, you have a certain portion of people who never bother to quarantine, and so on.
I didn't want to reply because I don't have much personal experience with tangs as somebody who's mostly had nanos.

Besides, it's just a generally a tough question to answer!

Anyway, rant over ha ha, I did get some info on UR, via a sticky that Si and Humble fish contributed to in that chelated copper seems to be more effective than ionic copper (cupramine).
In fact, I've found out that there were as many negative comments as positive over the effectiveness of Cupramine.
So, I'm not prepared to put my fish through a treatment that may well cause them stress, if indeed it may not be effective.
I found a company here in UK that sold  Copper Power, a chelated copper treatment that seems to be good.
In a list that was found on that forum, the different fishes were given a scale of 1 to 5 in relation to the suitability of that particular fish to that treatment.
How did I get here? Well, it's all because although chloroquine phosphate is regarded as a good medicine prophylactically or after the disease has come out, it's a really big NO for Regal Tangs, hence looking for the alternative treatment.
If anyone's interested, I'll get a link to the shop that sells the Copper Power here in Uk, the only downside really is that it ships from USA, so it'll be a while to get it I suppose.

I think I read that chelated is slightly easier on the fish.  But regarding effectiveness of Cupramin (i.e how well it resolves ich/velvet), I would take people's failures with a healthy dose of scepticism. because it's very easy to cock up ich treatment (with any product). 
For example - not calculating water volume accurately,  not testing the copper level regularly,  having the QT phsyically too close to the DT, accidentally using the same equipment/unwashed hands in display and quarantine tank, unknowingly using a filter in the QT which has carbon sponge in it, not completing the fallow period etc etc.

There is also tank-transfer method which if done correctly can be used to eliminate ich and velvet - use the timings under the 'for velvet' heading.
Last Edit: Nov 22, 2020 12:00:29 am by ajm83

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Reply #3

Thanks for that Andy, maybe I'm impatient when I've got something to do urgently-the Tangs are in the LFS (they got them for me specially) and I wanted them to go in the QT, but be treated prophylactically, and was looking for the best treatment.
I should slow down.
Regarding your comments, I thought that everybody observed the do's as don'ts regarding distance and equipment separation of DT and QT, and clearly calculated volumes and doses-I must be mistaken about that!
I myself, DO war to do things properly, and even i will struggle to distance QT from HT.
However, I'll keep equipment separate.
I often post so that others may learn from my mistakes, or at least learn from some info I've gleaned from another source (I do seek out the most reliable information that I can).
Sorry that I had a go, I seem to get frustrated when there's pressure to get a answer in a hurry.

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