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Reply #30

lol, i am that one. whenever i put my hand in the tank he/she goes and hides in her little cave. seems quite happy. feeding well and often swimming about. fingers crossed my anthia is just stupid and not dying hehe

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Reply #31

Hmm...it seems the anthias was pinning its fins to its body, so I couldn't see the damage.  Def something wrong with it.  It's also looking thin, even though it has been eating.  I'd increased the frequency of feeding over the last few days to help with nutrition, as I know that can be an issue with them.  I'm feeding lobster eggs now, as I know they're really good for them, and small, so the anthias can eat a lot of them.

I've tried to catch it to move and treat it in my QT, but as soon as I put the net in, it dives behind the rocks and I can't get to it.  I've tried all sorts to force it out, but only waiting works.  I put the net back in, and it shoots off behind the rocks again.

I've made a fish trap from a bottle and put some lobster eggs in it.  It's shown no interest.

As I understand it, there's no way to remove/kill the 'bad' bacteria that cause fin rot, etc. without killing all the 'good' bacteria too.  It is always present, like the good bacteria, but will attack when a fish is susceptible - poor nutrition, injured, stressed, poor water quality, etc.  The fish is definately looking thin, but that could be a side effect of it having the bacterial infection (it's a vicious circle).  I didn't notice it being thin in the QT, but it's possible it was heading that way (anthias are renowned for being difficult feeders).  I can rule out injury (I think).  Three have died and one is looking dodgy, after I moved them from the QT to the DT.  It could be acclimation stress (they were jumping, etc. when trying to catch them in the QT).  I've not done a water change for two years, so it could be build up or depletion of trace elements.

I'm going to send off a water sample - will have a look around to see if there are any other options other than the Triton one, but will use that if need be - seems pricey.  Two reasons:
1) I'm curious to see what if anything has built up or depleted over two years of no water changes
2) If there's nothing poisonous built up, I think this would prove it is not water quality, as they were not in there long enough to be affected by missing trace element.  That would prove it was stress.  Or, if there is a build up, that it was water quality.

Does this all make sense?  Spot any holes?

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I'm just going to throw this into the pot - I doubt it has anything to do with the current situation though.

While my tank was fallow due to white spot outbreak, I too decided to re-scape my tank and add sand.  I was advised by my LFS to pass a magnet over the sand as it always contains some metal particles.  I'm really glad I did as I pulled enough iron out of the sand to cover 2x10p coins.  The sand I used was a bulk back form TMC.

As I said, it may not be the cause this time, but I will never "just add sand" anymore.....

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Reply #33

I'm going to have to try that in my tank and see why gets pulled out  :undecided:

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Reply #34

Rob always suggests running a magnet over sandbeds!
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Reply #35

I do indeed! But wrap a bag or cloth over the magnet first to make it easier to remove any possible debris
I should really sort this out!!

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@HK_Fuey you did you use any handwash different to normal that day?
I should really sort this out!!

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Well  IMO Anthias arnt easy , surely iron wont  kill a fish tho i know copper will but thats a toxic thing , wouldnt it do for the liver?


Best thing tho I guess is to get the water analysed , it will give you peace of mind.



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I have thought about sending my water off for testing as I never get around to doing it myself! @HK_Fuey if you do it please let us know what the service is like.
I should really sort this out!!

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I am still of the mind that Anthias  are as Anthias do  and you had some coincidential bad luck, however  i dont want you to listen to me and miss something that might turn into something nasty later because you listened to me  :undecided:
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@HK_Fuey you did you use any handwash different to normal that day?
Nope.  Good idea though.
Well  IMO Anthias arnt easy , surely iron wont  kill a fish tho i know copper will but thats a toxic thing , wouldnt it do for the liver?
I've had a brief look on google, but can't find any decent description of symptoms for heavy metal poisoning.  I did find on wetwebmedia, that it is regarded as pretty unlikely unless you have introduced some metal ornaments, or parts that have rusted, etc.
Best thing tho I guess is to get the water analysed , it will give you peace of mind.
Yep.

I read a very good review of Triton last night.  Essentially it says that they have not published their methods; and there are questions over some elements.  They sent 3 standardized test water samples to them, and got 3 different sets of results back.  They rated them for accuracy and precision, and advised that the results should be taken with a pinch of salt and compared to their table for accuracy and precision.  Some results were spot on, others way out.  It was advised that it is not a good method to tweak individual elements, but would detect very high or very low levels of an element.

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Reply #41

The last anthias died.  I'm down to my Clarkii and Royal Gramma now.  They both look spot on, as do the corals and other inverts.

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Quote from: HK_Fuey on Feb 24, 2015 10:43:52 pm
The last anthias died.  I'm down to my Clarkii and Royal Gramma now.  They both look spot on, as do the corals and other inverts.

Is that all your livestock now then Graeme?

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Reply #43

I have a BTA, 4 shrimps that have been in there for 2 years, loads of snails & worms, a few hermits, an emerald crab (somewhere I assume - rarely see it), a porcelain crab (also hiding somewhere I hope). 

I had a massive wipe out last summer due to white spot, and had managed to save my foxface, and one clown.  I bought the RG, Clarkiis, a coral beauty and the anthias after I sorted the whitespot.  The RG was first in, and is still fine.  I lost the coral beauty - don't know what happened to it.  The Clarkiis had been in since before xmas, then this all happened 3 months later.  I added the anthias after loosing the Clarkii, as they had been in my QT for 6 weeks at the time, and had been at the lfs for several months before that.

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Reply #44

Oh, and loads of coral

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