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Reply #30

I just used a small net, dropped the crushed cloves in it then angled it into the display tank, so it wouldn't float away. Not saying it works for everyone but it deffrently helped my Regal tang settle in. She was covered in spots and was rubbing/flashing on the rocks. Couple of weeks later she was alot better and was never like that again in my care. Maybe it's the garlic maybe it isn't but I believe it helps.
There's a fine line between success and failure like there's a difference between surviving and thriving and we are all striving for a thriving success.

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Reply #31

How are the fish doing @james855 ?

My opinion is a little different, so thought I'd share my views...

The symptoms sound like ich to me. Fine white spots that dropped off after a few days.  The life-cycle of ich will mean you may see it come back worse after anything from a week to a month.

I've had it twice. I took all the fish out that survived the first symptoms, used hypo salinity in a QT, did daily water changes, fed them well, and eventually managed to cure several of them.  I put hem back in the main tank after leaving it fallow for 10 weeks and within a week they had ich again.  I tried again, but the fish all died.

After that I decided to research even more into QT methods, and found a few articles talking about Chloroquine Phosphate (CP).  Some huge public aquariums use this with success, so I decided to follow this, along with a freshwater dip with an anti-bacterial medicine, and a worming bath.  This combination kills off ich, Brook, Uronema, velvet, fungal and bacterial infections, and worms.

A huge benefit of using CP, is that you can drop some mature liverock in there and feed the tank and have no ammonia or nitrite to worry about!

OK, so what about @Marty 's point about QT for everything else?

Well, I left all my rock, shrimps, snails, nem, etc. In the fallow DT for 9 months.  That was mainly due to me wanting to upgrade, and planning that before adding fish again, but I also added new rock for the upgrade, and will be adding more cuc and coral.

For anything new, I will use a small 30L tank, with a couple of kg of LR for filtration, and leave it fallow for 16 weeks. This is almost certain to wipe out ich, Brook, Uronema, etc. Bacterial, fungal and worms, I believe are generally specific to fish, so again, given this period with no fish, should be wiped out.

As for space to put a QT, well it really doesn't need to be big, as it's a temporary holding tank (just like lfs use). Bigger would be nice, but also more expensive for water changes and meds.  You could squeeze one under a desk, on a bench in the kitchen or utility room, even in the garage during the summer. Remember, it's temporary whilst you stock up, then you can pack it away and hope not to need it for a long time  :P

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Reply #32

@HK_Fuey all fish are fine no marks shown up on any other fish all feeding fine I've upped there feeding slightly so defiantly well fed. The angel has no marks on it now it doesn't seem to be rubbing against rocks and if I'm honest I can't remember seeing it do it when I had the spots. Very confusing to be fair I'll have to see if it comes back. I thought my kole would be the first to get WS if any.

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Reply #33

@HK_Fuey

There is sometimes issue with space if I now wanted to put all my current stock into QT it would need to be a decent size tank as I have a load of tangs which will not be impressed being put in a small tank and would no doubt just stress them more.

Add to the fact that last time I put all fish into QT I had to break my tank down to do that and given the amount of SPS I now have and they are all based out onto rocks that would be an absolute nightmare.

I think you have to judge it on system/stock and size basis QT is just not feasible for me due to the size tank I would need and the bio load that would be placed on the QT tank.

Last time I was fallow my LFS had to house all my fish due to there size.

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Reply #34

Fair point.  I was thinking of quarantining new stock before adding, rather than as a hospital tank.  Setting up a hospital tank for all existing fish is a lot more hassle, and I agree, would need a bigger tank and more space.

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Reply #35

I was wondering what to do - have a spare tropical now and was going to set that up as qt/hospital tank - 65L. Want to get a yellow tang in a few months but know they are prone to ws. However, won't putting them in small qt tank stress the more?


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Reply #36

Owning a lot of tangs myself I would actually say the yellow is one of the less prone in my opinion.

The top ones are in order of worst first in my opinion

Achilles tang
Powder Blue
Gold Rim
Regal
Yellow

Other tangs follow after


I have a lot of experience with tangs and a yellow in my opinion is not the most prone.

My powder blue currently has spot thanks to the doser going wrong and all the large waterchanges I had to do just stressed it out but the yellow is absolutely fine as well as my other tangs they do over time build up an immunity to it hence the feeding loads and keep them healthy to fight it off.

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Reply #37

2 good points made above. That's the trouble I would have as I would be setting up as a hospital tank so then have the trouble of moving existing stock over. Also the stress of doing that. But have some good news on my part my angel has no spots on it. I was speaking to marty and I've been adding kh buffer directly to the tank like a idiot in which could burn the fish I'm thinking this may had caused it.


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Reply #38

i add alk direct to the tank ( into powerhead ) without any issues.. i don't have a sump so theres no other way for me.

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Reply #39

So sad news today my Mrs told me the angel was trying to swim buy could stay upright. It kept laying at the bottom of the tank and has finally passed away. I won't be adding nothing else to the tank now until it matured a lot more

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Reply #40

That's a shame, beautiful fish.  :'(

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Reply #41

It seems the WS is destroying my tank. I've now lost 2 diamond anthais so I've had no choice but to set up a hospital tank in the kitchen even though the Mrs doesn't approve but she wants to save her clowns. Update on my tank log

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