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Euston....we have a problem!

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Went away for a long weekend on Friday in a log cabin with a hot tub...very nice stress free weekend with no kids!  :cool:

Before leaving on Friday I noticed that one of my Clarkii clownfish was a bit strange, not her usual self and staying in one place a lot.

Anyway, arrived back today and noticed it was rubbing against the rocks so I had a close look at it and noticed what may be parasites on its forehead, not particularly white at the moment but I suspect ich (whitespot)  :(.

The Rabbitface Foxfish has a few whiter spots on one side of its head and the Coral Beauty appears to have a few faint bumps/spots although not white atm.

Only the Clarkii is 'scratching' none of the other fish are acting odd at present.
 
I do not have any other tanks set up although I have an empty fluval vicenza 180 and an empty Boyu 450TL (only 58 litres), but nowhere really to put them.

I have a number of corals and critters so cannot treat the DT.

What are my options?

I am feeding New Era Aegis/marine flakes as well as the Gamma frozen mysis/krill, and marine grazers and New Era Algae flakes.

I have no UV atm.

Any advice appreciated...

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Reply #1

Has anything happened over the weekend? Powercut, temperature fluctuation etc?

Was anyone looking after the tank?

I assume you've taken a full set of readings, is anything untoward?

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Has anything happened over the weekend? Powercut, temperature fluctuation etc?

Was anyone looking after the tank?

I assume you've taken a full set of readings, is anything untoward?



Nothing has happened that I am aware of but the Clarkii was acting strange on Friday.
Emma's mum came over to check the auto top up was ok and to feed a couple of frozen cubes twice a day.

I had noticed a slight drop in salinity to 1.024 last water change (last Sunday) and brought it back up to 1.026 by Tuesday. This, I suspect, was due to having  a dodgy sensor on the ATU a couple of weeks ago which has now been replaced..

Only difference is I removed the 200micron filter sock just in case of blockage.....the corals actually look a lot healthier/bigger as a result! 

I have  not been back long am just doing the tests now will post results ASAP. Cheers.
Last Edit: Oct 7, 2013 2:30:38 pm by Steveanem

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There is a product from Germany called Neosal. Can take up to two weeks to be delivered though.  It is reef safe.
I should really sort this out!!

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your other options could be to lower light and increase temp and lower SG to 1.019. But your corals wont like this, ideally you would have to run your tank fishless for 2-3 months to make sure the parasite was dead.
I should really sort this out!!

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Thanks guys. My tank tests are as follows:

NH4 = 0
NO2 = 0
NO3 = 0
PH = 8.0
KH = 7.7 (slightly lower than normal 8.3)
Ca = 370 (lower than normal)
Mg = 1360
PO4 = undetectable on D-D (possibly due to afore mentioned algae problem on other thread).

Looks like I need to start dosing Calcium/Alk despite only having a handful of corals/frags?

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SG1.026
Temp 25C

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your other options could be to lower light and increase temp and lower SG to 1.019. But your corals wont like this, ideally you would have to run your tank fishless for 2-3 months to make sure the parasite was dead.
your other options could be to lower light and increase temp and lower SG to 1.019. But your corals wont like this, ideally you would have to run your tank fishless for 2-3 months to make sure the parasite was dead.

You say corals wont like this, question is can they survive it?

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By how much do you mean to lower light @T-Bone Tyrone?

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You say corals wont like this, question is can they survive it?

Maybe most leathers would, but looking at your LPS and SPS list I'd say definitely not.

If it definitely is a white spot outbreak, you can just put the fish into the spare tank with a treatment, and leave the display tank fallow while they're in treatment. But need to know for sure that it is an ich outbreak...

And yeah, it's not only corals that take up alkalinity, biological processes and resisting changes in pH diminishes the alkalinity too, and it's not only your corals that consume the calcium, coralline algae, etc does too.

Just buy sodium bicarbonate and calcium chloride dihydrate from eBay, it'll be about a tenner for a kilo of each, you can then dose then (separately) from your dosing pump. :D

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Thanks Mike. Bearing in mind the 'spare' Fluval tank was used before and has been sitting empty in the conservatory for a few months. Would I be able to quickly set it up as a hospital tank without having to 'cycle' it?

1)Could I just take 180 litres of water out of the DT?

2)Would I have to somehow "disinfect" the Fluval?

3)What about filtration? (I have the old external filter canister that I used when cycling the ceramics). Other options?

4)Am I screwed?


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PS....the affected Clarkii is loitering around directly underneath the cleaner shrimp who appears to be completely ignoring him and making no effort to do his job!

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Maybe most leathers would, but looking at your LPS and SPS list I'd say definitely not.

If it definitely is a white spot outbreak, you can just put the fish into the spare tank with a treatment, and leave the display tank fallow while they're in treatment. But need to know for sure that it is an ich outbreak...

And yeah, it's not only corals that take up alkalinity, biological processes and resisting changes in pH diminishes the alkalinity too, and it's not only your corals that consume the calcium, coralline algae, etc does too.

Just buy sodium bicarbonate and calcium chloride dihydrate from eBay, it'll be about a tenner for a kilo of each, you can then dose then (separately) from your dosing pump. :D



How do I determine whether or not it is ich?

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1) Is a good idea, as it'll negate the need for stressful acclimation when you transfer the fish. And to the DT, it'll just be a water change...

2) Not really, so long as it's physically clean, if it's been left for months it'll be bone dry, and bacteria can't survive dry conditions for long, let alone any crustacean parasites.

3) If you can move some of the rock from the tank display tank, providing it isn't full of "reef life", that'll serve the biological filtration needs and as there's no corals, etc on it, it'll be fine with the hyposalinity treatment. But you'll have to use your judgement on how much will be sufficient, and keep your eye on ammonia in the first few days.

4) Not really, it just needs to be managed carefully, firstly you need to confirm if it is ich or not, then if it definitely is, wait a few days, it might vanish on it's own. Then you just need to separate the infected fish from the not infected corals and then you can attack the ich with treatment/hyposalinity and hope that you don't lose anybody.

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Reply #14

How do I determine whether or not it is ich?


Look at pictures of fish infected with it on Google and see if yours looks exactly like that, and read this:

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/23132-marine-ich-myths-facts.html

and this:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/

Which will give you more info to know if it is or not. But still, wait a couple of days before rushing into anything.
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