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Reply #15

Firstly, don't panic and jump to conclusions - easy to do when you're stressing, I know!  Post some pics so the more experienced here can help identify if it is white spot or not.  I had something similar and went out and bought a little pump, heater, etc. and then found it never spread from the few white dots, so not white spot.  My cleaner shrimp got rid of it all after a couple of months of it coming and going.  And, not all fish got it.  Very odd - but there are thousands of types of parasites and so not easy to identify them easily and often best to leave the fish to it.  If they're strong and healthy, then can come through it ok.

If it is whitespot, I would recommend a hospital tank.  In this case, you don't need any filtrations, just water changes.  You need a pump or powerhead for circulation, a heater, and some plastic pipe for hiding/cover.  No sand or rock! 

To treat them, you just lower the SG to 1.019 (over a couple of days).  Temp can go up a bit too, as this speeds up the white spot lifecycle.  You can use Ammo Lock (or similar) to help keep Ammonia spikes to a minimum, but remember each time you do a water change you need to top this up.

Be careful bringing the SG back up, as apparently the fish can take a drop much faster than a rise - can't remeber why now.

You can also raise the temp in the DT, but otherwise leave everything else the same and wait it out.  Whitespot needs a fish to host it, so you need to leave the time for a full cycle to happen before putting anything back in.

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Reply #16

Thanks here are some photos I just took. The CB wont keep still but the foxface is a poser!lol

The CB's 'spots' are very faint and smaller than the foxface but there are more of them....


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Reply #17

Thanks to all. Am I correct in the belief that the New Era Aegis builds up the fish's immune system?

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Reply #18

I can't tell you the number of time I thought my foxface had whitespot, or some other parasite, but it nearly always turns out to be sand or particle of rock, from him jamming his head in to crevises/rubbing up against the rock/sand trying to eat something.  I suspect your coral beatuy may be the same, as they spend all day picking at rocks, etc. See if it just falls off in a day or so.

Also, my cleaner shrimp are lot more active at night - often launching themselves at fish that drift around all sleepy.  Quite amusing to watch!

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Reply #19

Steve, I meant the photo period.
The parasite if it is ich, swims towards the light in the hopes of finding a host and if it bumps into a host it'll attach.
The increased temp will speed up its metabolism.
A quarantine tank is your best option as above, I would feed frozen or live only at this stage, more likely frozen and mix in enriched brine shrimp (garlic, spirulina, not too sure if the  omega 3 works. Also red algae which are basically gut loaded pods)
Feed often as this will help, the fish must keep up their strength.  You may find an additional water change may be required. 
I should really sort this out!!

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Reply #20

Yeah, that doesn't look like white spot to me, that's why I suggested waiting a couple of days. I bet those spots are gone in a day or two...

White spot don't gather together, they don't conjugate, yours are clustered together. I think there's just been some scuffling, fighting with fish darting in and out of rocks. My regal tang and coral beauty (two fish that dart into rockwork at the first sign of danger) sometimes have similar white dots which scare the hell out of me, but you just have to wait and they disappear.

If your clown is acting weird though, I'm not sure why but I don't think it's white spot from the picture... Those are indicative of war wounds from headbutting live rock.
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Reply #21

Thanks guys I think I will just observe for a couple of days at this stage. Do you think if it was ich it would have been more likely to show up on the tangs first?

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Reply #22

Not necessarily, Tangs aren't more susceptible per se, but they do get stressed more easily as they're more intelligent, and are easily panicked. It's their ease of stressing that makes them more susceptible, not just an inherent weakness.

EDIT: More to this, have you ever seen/heard of a Mandarinfish with white spot? No, it's very very rare, because they're not stressed by anything, ever. They just don't give a damn, nothing phases them, they just go about their business as if they're in parallel dimension. That low stress level keeps them pretty much disease free, the opposite is true for Tangs, very easily flustered, ergo, stress which results in disease.

I think to be honest, you've gone away, and try as you might, something has been abnormal and it's caused a bit of a quarrel and the Tangs have probably been most dominant and the fish with the dots have been darting in the rocks for cover. A wild guess, but lets hope I'm right, just sit tight for a couple of days.

If it was white spot it wouldn't be concentrated into patches like that, also they look too big to be individual white spot dots.
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I think to be honest, you've gone away, and try as you might, something has been abnormal and it's caused a bit of a quarrel and the Tangs have probably been most dominant and the fish with the dots have been darting in the rocks for cover. A wild guess, but lets hope I'm right, just sit tight for a couple of days.



Certainly do hope you're right. Thanks. Time will tell.

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Reply #24

White spot would usually show all over the body and especially the fins too
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Well now I conclude that there is definitely white spot in there. The blue reef chromis is covered in them head, body, fins. The Kole tang looks to have them as does at least one of the anthias. HK_Fuey you were right about the foxface as his 'spots' have gone today, but the ones mentioned above are covered in hundreds of smaller spots all over their fins etc.

I am now at a loss over what to do.
I have made room for my 'spare'  tank in the lounge and I am running RO as we speak. This is another thing I need to address is where to store water for emergencies.
I can only make up 3 buckets at a time (as I only have 3 buckets + 1x 25 and 1x 10 litre jerry can) it's easier for me to mix salt in the buckets.
I was thinking maybe make up 3 buckets of new salted, take equivalent from DT, replace with new, repeat twice?
How quickly can I drop the salinity? Was thinking maybe fill HT 2/3rds then add RO slowly?
Anyway it's gonna be a complete PITA getting the fish out am probably gonna have to temporarily remove the ceramics to get to them. however 1 piece has
corals
 attached whilst the rest just have them sitting on the 'shelves' loose.
Also as I don't have enough salted made up I am gonna have to switch off the return pump and the skimmer as my return chamber will empty below the pump once water is removed!

I am guessing if I do nothing my fish are doomed? As far as I understand it the ich will just continue to multiply.

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Can they overcome it or will it just continue until it kills them all?

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Reply #27

From what I've read, they can overcome it, but it's a good idea to go the hospital tank route if you can. 

Just guessing, but you can turn off the skimmer and return pump, and use the water from the sump to part fill the hospital tank.  Give you more time to sort out freshly made salty.  You need to keep the powerheads and heater running in the DT, but you shouldn't need the skimmer with just corals and critters in the DT.

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Reply #29

Keep them well fed, the parasite will stress them, plus they'll be using more energy than normal as they will be trying to rub the spots off against the rocks and sand.
keep the bellies full.
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