Are ich symptoms always visible?

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I've got a new fish (Chromis) in my QT at the moment.  He's been in there roughly 5 weeks, I've looked carefully at him every day and I have seen no scratching or white spots.   He's had freshwater dips,  Paraguard baths and I'll probably do a prazi treatment but nothing else.

Should I still treat him with cupramine?  (Trying to avoid this as have corals in my QT so will need to set up another = significant fall-out from my better half)...

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Reply #1

IMO and understanding , .... Corals would require around 100 days in a fishless tank to QT as there isn't anything that can kill the cyst stage of WS on any rocks , plugs  etc that the coral may be attached to without killing the coral and would need to get to free swimming stage looking for a host to continue their cycle within that time period before natural death would occur to the WS not having a host to go to . When in cyst form the 90 to 100 days is around the max hibernation time for WS .
Fish however can be QT'd and treated to kill any WS with copper , I'm sure this also only works during the parts of the cycle where they are free swimming , so should be treated in QT for around 5 to 7 days to enable any that were attached to the fish to fall and be killed by copper treatment . 5 days is around the max time spent on the fish .
I haven't QT'd any fish or corals in my tank , I've had a WS outbreak which I treated with polyp lab medic .
Which was reasonably successful with only a few losses , I am going to wait it out to see if there is any return before adding any more fish .
Not sure if this really answers your question though , what is your current routine regards QT ? How long would you normally treat fish and coral ? Had you been QTing fish and coral seperatly til now ?

And I'd wait till more replies before deciding too , just incase my understanding ain't quite right ....



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Reply #2

To be honest I've not really quarantined before.  I lost all my fish when I introduced an overpriced royal gramma from Swallow Aquatics a few months back and it had (I think) velvet. Lost the lot in two days.

So I then did 10 weeks fallow, now I'm restocking the tank.  Aiming to get it right from the off.


The coral that's in the QT currently is stuff I don't want in the DT really, it's things that grow too fast in there. Palys, GSP etc.  I think the easy answer is to give away the spare coral and use the QT just for fish. 

Ideally I did want to QT corals, inverts etc, but i'm just not sure it's going to be possible.
Last Edit: Jul 25, 2017 4:15:29 pm by ajm83

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Reply #3

Sorry to hear that , I was pretty gutted with my losses as things had been going very well for me from the off before ich wiped out a few of mine .
I think QT is quite a hard decision , and with the various ways that there are to do it properly ,  I've only QT on freshwater fish , which was more for worm and parasite treatment of wild fish , which is no where near  as demanding as what's required for marine , it could effectively take years to build up any sort of collection with all the different QT views around . Not to mention all the tanks and equipment needed .
I think there will always be something you may want to add to a tank in the future wether it just be replacing CUC or a new coral and seems to me to be quite a drawn out process to effectively QT everything .
But again each to their own . These are just my own views with limited space to do QT correctly .
For a DT and single QT tank another option may be to add ALL coral and inverts to the DT leave to run for three month (90 to 100 days) then add treated QT'd fish from there . That should guarantee no ich / WS .

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Reply #4

It's rubbish when you have a wipe out.
Chromis are pretty tuff little things so yes they can carry parasites with no ill effects to them. The main place parasites hide if you can't see them is in the gills. But if there breathing ok and not swimming straight in to the power head flow there probably ok.

As Gav said they only way is to qt everything but even then you need to be very anal so as to not cross contaminate.


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It's rubbish when you have a wipe out.
Chromis are pretty tuff little things so yes they can carry parasites with no ill effects to them. The main place parasites hide if you can't see them is in the gills. But if there breathing ok and not swimming straight in to the power head flow there probably ok.

As Gav said they only way is to qt everything but even then you need to be very anal so as to not cross contaminate.


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Right, cupramine it is then.
And bloody hell that's a good point, i'll need another set of nets, buckets, hoses etc otherwise it's completely pointless!



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Agree. QT fish with copper or Chloroquine Phosphate.  Corals and inverts in another fallow tank for 10+ weeks.

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Just paid a visit to the world's least friendly shopkeeper to get a new set of nets etc and my seachem copper test kit has turned up so just got to clear the tank out then it looks like I'm ready to go.


Now then, does anybody need some invasive easy to grow corals to fill their tank out? I've got one or two ( lol ) to give away  *D

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Reply #8

Over what net to use??


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I ended up giving my softies to the lfs.  It paid itself back in favours.  They will shift them easily and you will get a bit of credit.  I've decided I'm going to fill up on LPS when I get back, then try SPS as another batch through QT.

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Over what net to use??

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Ha, no, he's just not somebody who enjoys such difficult social situations as saying "morning", "please" or "thank you" to customers I think. lol  Ideal personality to be running running a business interacting with the public.   :lol:


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Ha, no, he's just not somebody who enjoys such difficult social situations as saying "morning", "please" or "thank you" to customers I think. lol  Ideal personality to be running running a business interacting with the public.   :lol:

my local newsagent is like that , I'd swear if they were to smile it would probably crack their face  :lol:
You on the hunt for a new LFS ? or you stuck with that one ?

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my local newsagent is like that , I'd swear if they were to smile it would probably crack their face  :lol:
You on the hunt for a new LFS ? or you stuck with that one ?


No I'm pretty spoiled for reef shops TBH!  I have Coral Passion, E-Marine Aquatics, Manor, Maidenhead, Swallow within 20 mins or so.  AAC about 35 mins.


I just went into Creation as I was looking for a connector pipe for my reactor and it's like a massive jumble sale of random bits and bobs in there.  First time ever I didn't find what I wanted I think!

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That's a good selection , you are fair spoiled for choice . We've got 3 within a 40 mile radius , but for any others I'd probably be looking a 31/2 hour drive to likes of Glasgow, Aberdeen or Edinburgh .

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