Restocking plan (post white spot)

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I'm left with the following:
Foxface
Yellow Tang
Goldring bristletooth (Kole) Tang
1x Perc. Clownfish
Filefish
Benggai Cardinal

I'm thinking of adding any of the following (not all of them), and wondering what you lot think:
Either 4x bimac anthias (to end up as a group of 1xmale, 3xfemale) or Allen's Damsels (at least 8).
Bimac anthias
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+20+1139&pcatid=1139

Allen's Damsels
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+28+120&pcatid=120


If I end up with the Allen's Damsels that means, no Royal Gramma, which the rest of the family really want, but I'm convinced it was the arguing between the RG and the ADs that caused the RG to die.

Royal Gramma
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+21+53&pcatid=53


Clarkii clown
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+27+2420&pcatid=2420

The issue here is the Perc I already have, and the porcelain crab that lives in my Nem.  Is it cruel to put the Clarkii in, as I'm guessing he'll kick the crab out (who lived happily without a nem for a good while)?  Do you think the Perc and Clarkii can live happily together?

Pair of Neon gobys
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+31+194&pcatid=194


Coral beauty
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+16+438&pcatid=438

Since I lost my mandarin, I guess there should be plenty of food for one of these.  Likely to nip corals?

Flame angel
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+16+444&pcatid=444

Always fancied one, but as with the coral beauty, the concern is it nipping corals.

Male blue throat trigger
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+44+233&pcatid=233

Can't remember who mentioned these were reef safe, but thanks!  I was told there were none, but I've learned to question most advice given now.  Love how these guys swim, and it's something that reminds me of diving on reefs.   This one is almost a certainty (if I can get hold of one), but feel free to challenge me.

So, what do you think?
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Reply #1

I've not read the whole post, but Clarkii clowns are considerably more aggressive than Percula clowns, so the Clarkii will bully the Percula away if he gets too close, but he won't persue the Perc, he'll just boss it away from the Anemone.

It will kick the crab out too. When my Clarkii was tiny, the Porcelain was able to defend itself and remain in the anemone, but the Clarkii got big fast and it's just a relentless bull in a china shop. (remember that video I took of the Clarkii getting a good swipe by the Porcelain?  :O ) Now the porcelain has moved to some mushrooms instead. The clarkii would literally grab the porcelain and carry it away from the anemone.

They're full of character though, much more than Percs, so I'd recommend one, just consider about a 14 inch radius of your nem a no-go zone for anything less 'ard than a big tang or something...
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That's kind of what I expected.  I had to dismantle my scape to catch the fish, so when I rebuild it, I plan on moving the rock with the nem to one side of the tank, allowing the Perc the chance to live peacefully at the other end.
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If it was a choice between the anthias or damsels, I think I would choose the anthias, just for the colour variations, but this may also help if you were to keep a royal gramma as the anthias are much bigger and don't tend swim through the rock work as much as the damsels might.

Royal gramma are very terratorial over their bolt hole, but mine never actually nipped, it would always gesture and dart, but that was it, great fish to observe up close too, it has more markings than you'd expect.

Clarkii, love em, and am very tempted to put a pair in mine, but the skunks would come off second best I think, so not really fair on them. all I have read about them states they are hardy, strong, and terratorial, could cause probs with a fish that is shy or likes to swim the length of the tank if the clown decides to warn em off.

Neon gobies, I prefer the blue to the gold, great little cleaners, they don't pick as aggressivley as a cleaner wrasse, I had one for a little while but it disappeared one day, it appeared to be taking frozen food too.

Coral Beauty, Mine is great, never seen it nip at a coral, but it is an angel so there could always be a chance, mine swims in an out of the rock work, takes frozen and eats nori, it's not aggressive, but can mix with the tangs at the nori clip.

Flame angel, their price always puts me off, but great looking fish, and what a splash of colour, all I know of this fish is the info from sites like live aquaria, and this just may be me, but you hear more stories of the flame angels nipping corals or having a go at other fish than you do of the coral beauties, also more of the flames come up for sale\swaps from an existing tanks then beauties.

Triggers, would love either a pair of blue throats, Niger, or red tail, have heard of these all being kept in reef systems, from what I gather if they have the round chin they could be considered more reef safe, they all have the possiblity to have a pop at you CUC, but one thing that has stopped me getting one is...do I have a spare cave in the tank big enough? soo very temting though. have you seen these in real life? the pics don't do them justice.

I should really sort this out!!

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If it was a choice between the anthias or damsels, I think I would choose the anthias, just for the colour variations, but this may also help if you were to keep a royal gramma as the anthias are much bigger and don't tend swim through the rock work as much as the damsels might.
I always fancied these anthias, it was probably price that made me jump to the damsels, but I have to say I really liked the damsels once I had them.  Full of character, and great colours.  I may well go for the anthias though, for all the reasons you've said, and becasue I've not had them before.
Royal gramma are very terratorial over their bolt hole, but mine never actually nipped, it would always gesture and dart, but that was it, great fish to observe up close too, it has more markings than you'd expect.
This was a great fish, so if I go with anthias, it will be getting added  :grin:
Clarkii, love em, and am very tempted to put a pair in mine, but the skunks would come off second best I think, so not really fair on them. all I have read about them states they are hardy, strong, and terratorial, could cause probs with a fish that is shy or likes to swim the length of the tank if the clown decides to warn em off.
I'm pretty set on getting one (or a pair) of these.  One of the main draws to getting a reef tank, was to have a nem hosting clowns.
Neon gobies, I prefer the blue to the gold, great little cleaners, they don't pick as aggressivley as a cleaner wrasse, I had one for a little while but it disappeared one day, it appeared to be taking frozen food too.
I like the blue more too.  Pretty certain I will get these - it'll be finding a pair that will be the issue.
Coral Beauty, Mine is great, never seen it nip at a coral, but it is an angel so there could always be a chance, mine swims in an out of the rock work, takes frozen and eats nori, it's not aggressive, but can mix with the tangs at the nori clip.

Flame angel, their price always puts me off, but great looking fish, and what a splash of colour, all I know of this fish is the info from sites like live aquaria, and this just may be me, but you hear more stories of the flame angels nipping corals or having a go at other fish than you do of the coral beauties, also more of the flames come up for sale\swaps from an existing tanks then beauties.
This matches what I've read too.  The flame was one of the fish I originally wanted, but I guess it's just not really reef safe.
Triggers, would love either a pair of blue throats, Niger, or red tail, have heard of these all being kept in reef systems, from what I gather if they have the round chin they could be considered more reef safe, they all have the possiblity to have a pop at you CUC, but one thing that has stopped me getting one is...do I have a spare cave in the tank big enough? soo very temting though. have you seen these in real life? the pics don't do them justice.
Not seen one in real life, but I find that with most fish, the pics never do them justice.  I love the pics, and so I just know I'll fall for this fish.  Thinking of just a male to save on space for some others though.  A pair would be great, but they're big fish.
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I totally agree with the nem hosting clowns, it's a great sight. I think id would be bwtter for the perc clown if you re-house it and have a pair of clarkii.
I haven't ever seen neons sold as pairs, but hope you can get them.
Probably best to get just one of the triggers, as a pair could get terratorial.
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So, what's anyones advice on the order I should add this lot?  I'm thinking the Foxface, benggai, filefish and perc can all go back in together, but then hold the tangs back until I add some of the new fish.
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I'd get the neons as soon as, and put them in the QT with all the fish, and let the neon do their thing, the bigger fish would get used the neon coming over and also will go looking for them in the DT once they are in their.
The coral beauty could go in the DT when you put the initial list of fish back in,

The clarkii if small could go in after the first batch but before the tangs.

And as for the trigger, it depends upon its size, but could go in at the same time as the tangs,  and then the argy bargy will start.
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Nothing new is going near my existing stock without going through the quarantine tank.  I have another two weeks before I can put anything back in the DT, but would want to hold anything new for a month before adding.  I will see if I can track down some neons (will take one if a pair is hard to get hold of) and a coral beauty.  I think I may try for the royal gramma too.

What about the Tangs, Clarkiis and Trigger order?
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The Neons do have a really thick mucus coating, I've seen the white spot sitting on top of this, this is also how they stick to the fish, as far as I'm aware the neons don't rub against the fish to rid it of the parasite, but pick them off.

I fully understand your hesitation in adding anything new, looks like you'll be getting a third tank! Ha Ha!

As for the order of th tangs, clowns and trigger, size is key really, I'll stick by what I typed earlier, but if this won't work because of not having enough space to hold all the fish, then  I think the clowns, tangs and trigger could all go in together, and have some fresh SW ready for a small change the next day or day after just incase the increased bioload causes a small spike.
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Not sure how I missed the last sentence in your earlier post about the order of trigger, tangs, clarkiis   :embarrassed:

I have three tanks on the go at the moment.  My DT with coral and inverts, the Hospital tank (HT) with the fish, the Quarantine/Frag tank (QT) with just liverock (for now).  The plan is to get some new fish ASAP and get them in the QT.  31st august is my date to be allowed to add fish back to the DT.  So, any new fish will have another week or so before I can add them to the DT.  I don't think the foxface, beggai, filefish or perc will be bothered about any of the new fish being added, so happy to add them to the DT straight away.  I'm thinking the neons, and anthias could go in whenever I can get hold of them (the anthias I have never managed to source - thought I had once, but they turned out to be damaged).  Royal gramma should be ok to add whenever too - I had no issues adding other fish after the last one, other than the damsels.

Clarkkis next, then the tangs and trigger together.

This works well, as I can probably get away with a few small fish in the QT at a time, but the clarkkis will need it to themsleves, and the trigger will for sure! - need to get a small one I think. 

I can hold the two tangs back and add them at the same time as the trigger to minimise the fighting.
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Royal gramma in the QT.  Pics tomorrow
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Peekaboo!
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Update...
I'm left with the following:
Foxface
1x Perc. Clownfish
Filefish
Benggai Cardinal

Having to restart the whitespot treatment, and having lost both my tangs, I decided to treat myself to a blue neon goby, who is now with the Royal gramma in my quarantine tank.  They'll be in there for 8 weeks whilst I leave the DT fallow to get rid of the Ich in there.
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I suppose this means less of a faf when it comes to adding stuff back to the DT, as they can all go in together.  Trying to see some positives  :undecided:
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