New Anemone

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Hi Guys,

I'm new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have recently purchased a new GBTA and it has been in my tank for around 4 days now.
I did proper acclimation over 2 hours drip feeding water via syringe, the nem appeared happy in the shop, full of colour, no damage to the foot etc.
There were no creatures being hosted at the time of purchase as it was just with cleaner shrimp(fire).
Since getting it home, I have pretty much left it alone other than feeding a very small silverside head which it partially ate.
This morning returning home from work it appears considerably shrivelled, it has maintained all it's colour but appears to be sulking.
Before purchase I had my water checked, the levels were: No trace, phosphate,nitrite, nitrate,ph 8.2, salinity 1025.
The only behaviour from the livestock I have witnessed with the nem,annoyingly is the domino damsel trying to be hosted by the nem and it is quite insistent about it...is this the reason it is sulking or could there be more to it? I am panicking due to the cost of this creature and considering getting rid of the domino as it is being an ass to everything else now the nem has arrived.


Any theories or help would be great. Thanks

Tank is established 6 months.
My current stock is 2x standard clowns, 1x Domino Damsel, 1x emerald crab,2x red hermits. 1x small colony of pom pom xenia and zoas.
25gal tank using 1x powerhead, live rock and runnning carbon in my filter. (Neither powerhead nor filter exit are pointed directly at the nem or corals.

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Reply #1

Hi, Welcome to the forum.

Damsels can be a bit rough with a sick anemone, so I'd keep an eye on that.

It's normal for anemones to convulse and shrink right down before swelling up again several times over when newly introduced. They're flushing out the different water and taking in the new, so they're not at odds with their environment internally.

Give it a few more days before getting too worried. If it's holding onto the rock, it's not doing too badly. They tend to let go and float around when sick, either through lack of ability to hold on, or as a last resort trying to relocate to better conditions.

Also mouth tightness is a good health indicator.

Do you have any pics?
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Reply #2

Here you go, I quickly adjusted the light up as currently on the blue part of the day.
The thing that is concerning me the most is that is must have been 3 or 4 x the size when it was puffed up.
The little alcove that it is in is hallow through to the other side,which it completely filled until this morning. it is definitely holding on the the rock but a part of it's foot is exposed on the other side. It has been like that since around 0600 this morning.

On reflection, when I have been home the domino seemed to aggressively be rubbing against it almost like a shoulder-barge, not a caress if that makes sense. 

Thanks for the swift reply.

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For info, I have just checked my PH and Nitrites again(The store said nitrites in particular can kill nems. The PH was 8.2 but my nitrites was at 4.!!!!! The only thing I can think of is that the silverside head remnants that I removed yesterday must have badly decayed the water??

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Reply #4

I have just done a 20% water change before work and intend on doping another one when I get home at 0500. Will that suffice so far or do I need to do more?

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Reply #5

4ppm nitrate is nothing. Just leave it be.  It should be fine.  Keep monitoring it though.

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Whatever the problem was it definitely wasn't fine. Got home at 0600 and it was literally decomposing in the tank and goo comming off it. The base/foot was a normal coulor but all it's tentacles had literally dissolved and we're all over the tank. The piwerhead was off and my filer does not have an opening a wafer could fit through. 
8 hours before it looked like it was improving.
The only check that wasn't entirely correct was the salinity had dropped to 1.022.
Could that have been it?

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Reply #7

That's quite low.  Too low for corals really.  I doubt it would have that affect on the nem, if it was a slow change.  Did you acclimate it slowly?  If not, a sudden drop in SG, or pH during acclimation could have caused it.

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Reply #8

I tend to have a drop from 8.3-7.5 at night.  But it always re-establishes in time.  The salinity drop was unusual which I can't explain. Absolutely nothing had been added to to tank apart from the nem and all fish appeared healthy, the light is a fluvial aquasky. And running carbon in my filter.
The nem was an absolute mess when I got home. The only coulor left was it's foot.

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Reply #9

That's a huge swing.  Are you sure?  It's normal to get around 0.3 difference overnight, but not that much.

I was referring to when you added it.  Did you drip acclimate it?  If not, the salinity and/or pH difference between the water in the bag, and your tank could have shocked it.

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Ah get you Hkfuey. I used a syringe to add small amounts whilst it was in the bag resting on top for 2 hours. 
Turned my powerhead off and filter for an hour so it could settle then business as usual. After day1 fed it a silverside chunk the size of it's mouth which it ate half of then spat out.
I am running a small refugium in a breeding tank on the side of the tank to try and compensate at night....which makes it all the more confusing. I only have chaetomorpha in it.
I am literally dumbfounded as to what may be causing it.

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Reply #11

Have you found any salt creep on pipes, side of the tank, floor etc?   Because (not wishing to worry you unduly but...) when I had mysteriously low salinity, it was from losing salt water to a leaking pipe, then the ATO topping the tank back up with fresh water.

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Reply #12

Hi Fishrfriends , What are you using to measure your salinity with ? Had the tank taken any more water from ATU tank than usual ? Another cause of drop could be overly wet skimming , taking out salt water which would be replaced by unsalty RO from top up .
Adding a hose / pipe from outside to your skimmer air intake can also help keep the pH a little higher .

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Reply #13

Thanks again for the replies folks.
I use a standard hydrometer with the guage/dial that floats to what level it is and read through the side.
Re the salt creep, I do not have an overflow/sump system with it only being 25gal. The mini refugium is a bubble fed > drip exit breeding tank.(i.e the bubbles raise small amounts of water and gravity/overflow drops the water back down out the other side)
There is no salt residue on the inside of the lid, light, cables,fuge supply. I do not require an auto top off unit as the evaporation I get is minimal.

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Reply #14

I'd probably look into upgrading your hydrometer to a refractometer , hydrometers can be prone to false readings with the float sticking . If you've not added any top up it would suggest the salinity hasn't changed .  I use the D-D refractometer to measure my salinity .
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