Kent Marine Reef 94L - startup

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Hello All,

Been introduced to this forum by Jarred91 from TFF, thanks Jarred!

I have just bought a Kent Marine 94L and will be picking it up later this week  :tongue:

I have owned Tropicals for ages and always wanted a Marine setup and now it's my time!!!

So I am not sure what this setup comes with as I am risking an eBay purchase, but I do know I need RO to fill it up. This leads me to my first questions:

Do I fill up my new tank with 100% RO?

How much salt to water ratio do I need?

What is the best salt to use without the LFS stitching me up?

What is the best substrate? I don't want to go bare bottom.

How do you know live rock is 'live'?


I know these seem very basic questions which is why I am asking the you guys out there as I know you will give the best advice.

My local store is Lynwood aquatics aquatics nr Tolworth Junction.

Here are the pics of the tank I just bought.


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Welcome Dr Phil,
Glad you decided to join! :)
All the guys (and girls) here are very knowledgable and I'm sure they'll soon have you on your way!! :)

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Hi, Dr Phil!

Welcome to the forum.

Been introduced to this forum by Jarred91 from TFF, thanks Jarred!

Thanks Jarred.  :wink:

Do I fill up my new tank with 100% RO?

Yes, then add the salt!  :glad:

How much salt to water ratio do I need?

About 33g per Litre of water roughly, but it varies between salt brands.

Remember that tank might be 94L, but that's when brimmed, and that's not taking into account displacement. So you're probably looking at 75L of water, so make sure you don't add too much salt.

What is the best salt to use without the LFS stitching me up?

They're all much of a muchness at this point, you only get a preference in salt down the line, in a new setup, buy any. Kent, Reef Crystals, Tropic Marin, Red Sea, Red Sea Coral Pro, etc, all good.

What is the best substrate? I don't want to go bare bottom.

You'll use a crushed coral sand of some grade. They come in course, medium and fine. I'd go with medium. Course can look unsightly, be difficult for critters to "turn over" and trap detritus. Fine, can be a bit "blowy", and can compact.

Aim for a sand depth of about 2 inches.

How do you know live rock is 'live'?

You'll be able to tell in lots of ways. Firstly, it'll have been kept in warm salted water, rather than in a dry cardboard box, secondly, smell it, if it smells of rotten eggs, it's got a lot of die off and while it's still "live" rock, most of the life forms on it will perish. On the other hand, if it smells like concrete, it's likely been dry and recently put in saltwater to be sold as live rock, when actually it's only reef bones at that point. It should smell fresh, like the ocean, and if you look around it, you'll likely see things living on it.

which is why I am asking the you guys out there as I know you will give the best advice.

I like you already.  :smiley: :glad:

Here are the pics of the tank I just bought.

Looks good. These have a "sump" compartment, at the back, rather than a separate sump beneath.

I'm not sure infront of a radiator, and in front of a window is a good place for it though. You'll risk overheating the tank, and if it gets any direct sunlight it'll be algae city!

Again, Welcome!  :grin:
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Firstly, Welcome along.

How old is the tank? when were the bulbs last changed? what kit does it come with? paste the ebay link if you want to.

as for filling the tank, use RO water and mix salt in, as for how much salt, this depends on brand, but I add a lil at a time and keep checking with the refractometer until the desired salinity is achievd.

most salts are similar, if I were you I'd go for one that mixes fast, so... red sea, iQautics, and Kent.

as for substrate I use 3mm coral sand - don't buy live sand, it's a waste of money IMO

Live rock will have life in it, when you have a piece in your hand it should smell fresh, use a trusted supplier, ask you LFS how long they've had the rock, how long was it in the previous system? was it kept wet during transportation? how long was it transported for?

but before all of that you should make sure you have enough equipment;

RO(DI) unit, make your own its worth it, can't trust LFS stuff usually.
Power head(s) for water movement in the tank and for mixing water for water changes
refractometer to test salinty of water - Hydrometers are useless
buckets for water changes
Test Kits - I use salifert for all tests apart from phosphate test, then I use D&D test, to start with you'd need, ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, and phophate kits - if you're buying second hand check their use by date.
phosphate removal is key.
spare heater - for water changes
length of hose for water changes.

that should do it.

Rob
I should really sort this out!!

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I'm not sure infront of a radiator, and in front of a window is a good place for it though. You'll risk overheating the tank, and if it gets any direct sunlight it'll be algae city!

These pics are direct from eBay and not my house  :undecided: so this tank will not go near a window or radiator for sure.

Wow I knew I could count on the knowledge of good forums!!

I am sure I will be asking a lot more Qs soon

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Thanks Rob I knew this would get expensive but lets take some small steps. The link from eBay is here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kent-Bio-Reef-Led-Marine-Tank-And-Stand-/321361590250?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=%252B1PiyvSyFDRYXeQAxXJttU5CvzM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

There is limited detail however it does say I need a pump or external filter? is this true?

Thanks again for your speedy response!!!

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Welcome Dr Phil,
Glad you decided to join! :)
All the guys (and girls) here are very knowledgable and I'm sure they'll soon have you on your way!! :)

Cheers Jarred I am getting help already !!!

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Thanks Rob I knew this would get expensive but lets take some small steps. The link from eBay is here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kent-Bio-Reef-Led-Marine-Tank-And-Stand-/321361590250?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=%252B1PiyvSyFDRYXeQAxXJttU5CvzM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

There is limited detail however it does say I need a pump or external filter? is this true?

Thanks again for your speedy response!!!

Dr Phil
by pump I think they mean a power head, external canisters are no good on marine systems as filters, there are no filters needed for marine, the live rock is the filter.
some try to use canister filters as reactors for phosphate media, but these don't work well.
Oh yea, sorry if we end up reiterating info you've already assimilated, can't help it as we feel the need to give as much info as possible.
Rob
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Rob you're a gent,

I have heard that live rock acts as a filter but after taking care of tropicals for so long it's sooo hard to get out of that mind frame.

I am picking my tank up tonight after 19:00  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :grin:

Will keep you peeps up to date with the pros and cons of the system when I have done a newbie assessment on it.


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Yeah Phil, most people when they come from freshwater struggle with the idea of not having a "filter". It's seemed that there must be something the water is being physically strained through, otherwise the water will just accumulate "bits" and progressively get muckier, but that's just not the case.
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I feel my ears burning!
That wouldn't be me your taking about there would it?!  :grin: Haha!

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Test Kits - I use salifert for all tests apart from phosphate test, then I use D&D test, to start with you'd need, ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, and phophate kits - if you're buying second hand check their use by date.

Blimey this stuff is just as expensive as my tank  :embarrassed: :lipsrsealed:

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Looks good. These have a "sump" compartment, at the back, rather than a separate sump beneath.


What do need for my sump? I have seen on Youtube that peeps put live rock and cotton wool in a similar if not the same tank as mine.

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You don't need live rock in there, as you've got live rock in the tank. You can put floss in there as a mechanical filter if you must but it's not needed.

All a marine tank needs to stay healthy is warm salty water and live rock. A skimmer is good, but again, not essential.

If I had your tank, I'd get a little skimmer for the rear compartment if it doesn't have one already, and put the heater in there, that's it. You really don't need to worry over filtration.  :glad:
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I feel my ears burning!
That wouldn't be me your taking about there would it?!  :grin: Haha!

Did you have trouble getting away from filtration, as I still cant my head around it LOLOLOL  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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